Is there a difference between ascorbic acid and Vitamin C?

I've read that there were differences between the two!

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I just read an article by Tim O'Shea discussing vitamins and their inherent complexity. O'Shea says that vitamin C is not only Ascorbic Acid but rather a complex of substances that work in synergy. Taking ascorbic acid and calling it vitamin C is actually misleading, according to O'Shea, as it's only one part of the whole picture.

The article discusses not only vitamin C but a host of other substances and shows that what has been isolated and called "vitamins" is often but a fraction of the natural (phyto)complex that contains and in fact makes up these vital nutrients.

The article is posted here not because I believe isolated vitamins to be damaging (O'Shea may go too far in that respect) but because it does contain a quite valid message: The closer to the natural form a vitamin/mineral is, the better for our health.

Now look at the list of "allowed vitamin and mineral sources" in Annex II of the European Food Supplements directive, and see whether you can find any of the complex food-form vitamins or minerals listed there.

International legislation on supplements, which includes the European food supplements directive and the proposed Codex Guidelines on vitamin and mineral supplements, goes in the direction of not only favouring the pharmaceutical single compound synthetic nutrients but of imposing their use, by disallowing the more natural food-bound complexes as sources of vitamins and minerals.


Don't be offended, but the term "natural" has no meaning when it comes to vitamins! None!

Many companies will brag about their product being "natural," but that term is all hype. Oh, there are, indeed, "natural" sources for various vitamins, but you are not getting them.

For instance, Acerola Cherries and Rose Hips are, indeed, natural sources of Vitamin C. But, if you wanted a tablet with 1,000 mg of Vitamin C, it would cost you an arm and a leg if all of the ingredients came from Acerola Cherries and Rose Hips. In fact, I have an analysis (click here) that shows you that the Vitamin C from Acerola Cherries is being priced out at about $7,500 per KG by the very popular Amway Bio-C Plus formula.

Furthermore, tons of research exist about how effective Vitamin C is for various purposes. When you read this research you'll find that virtually NONE of that research was ever done with "natural" Vitamin C. Nobel Prize winner, Dr. Linus Pauling, got his Nobel Prize in 1962 for promoting peace and in 1954 for discoveries in chemistry; these were based on his research UNRELATED to Vitamin C -- but later he became very famous for his research on Vitamin C and that was all "artificial" Vitamin C. Click Here to read what Dr. Pauling has to say about Vitamin C.

Here is another statement on the "difference" between natural vitamin C and synthetic vitamin C -- there is no difference. So, those who run scare campaigns about "vitamin C derived from genetically engineered corn," for instance, are only spreading false fears.

• Natural vs. synthetic ascorbic acid: Natural and synthetic ascorbic acid are chemically identical. As assessed by at least two studies, there appears to be no clinically significant difference in the bioavailability and bioactivity of natural ascorbic acid and synthetic ascorbic acid. (Source)

Some companies, like Shaklee, will show you photos of the aura that comes from a natural Vitamin C substance, and show you that the aura that comes from synthetic Vitamin C is very different.

There is no doubt about this! That "aura" is real.

But, there is still no doubt that you can't afford 1,000 mg per day of "natural" Vitamin C, and even if you could, all the good research on Vitamin C shows that the synthetic does just fine -- thank you.

The B vitamins are extremely important nutrients and about the only natural source for them would be something like brewer's yeast. The problem there is that you would have to take a large bulk of material to get the B Vitamins, and THEN you would be getting them along with other things that might not fit in that formula. As soon as you start extracting those B Vitamins from brewer's yeast, you are edging away from "natural" toward an artificial form of the vitamin.

Finally, this word "natural," like many words in the vitamin industry, has no agreed upon definition, and there is certainly no agency, either public or private, which will set standards or investigate claims. The image on the left is a "natural man!"

This word, "natural," is like the word organic. Many people, today, think that an "organic vitamin" must have been made from something which was alive. In their minds "natural" and "organic" are quite similar -- they also think that "artificial" is the opposite of "organic" and that "artificial" means "bad."

More than 200 years ago the word "organic" meant that the material was, at one time, a living thing. Trees, plants and animals, in this sense, are organic, and when they are dead, their remains are still organic.

I am fond of old dictionaries and have one published in "A Standard Dictionary of the English Language," published by Funk & Wagnalls Company, London and Toronto, 1895. Here is the definition of "organic" from that dictionary:


or-gan-ic, adj.

1. Biol. (1) Of, pertaining to, or of the nature of organisms, or animals and plants; having or consisting of organs; as organic remains.

"The various living things or those which have possessed life, compose The Organic World."

Asa Gray: Field-Book of Botany lesson i, p. 1 (I. B&Co. '68)

(2) Of, pertaining to, or affecting an organ or organs, as, organic diseases.

(3) Serving the purpose of an organ.

2. Chem. Containing carbon as an essential ingredient; originally confined to carbon compounds in organisms.

At first the term organic was supposed to be due to vital force, and it was so used until 1828 when Wohler artificially prepared urea, a distinct product of animal life. The term has continued to expand in its meaning until at present any line of demarcation between organic and inorganic compounds is arbitrary rather than natural.

A useful practical distinction between organic and inorganic substances is afforded by their behaviour when heated. An organic substance is either converted into vapour when moderately heated, or is decomposed into volatile products, generally leaving a residue of charcoal which burns away when heated in air.

C. I. Bloxam: Chemistry P 314, p. 468. (P. B. & Co. '90)


Click here to read a bit about Frederick Wohler. His "discovery" of urea was revolutionary at the time, and prompted this:

"This organic synthesis dealt a severe blow to a widespread belief called "vitalism" which maintained that organic chemicals could be modified by chemistry but could only be produced through the agency of a vital force present in living plants and animals."

So, starting in the early 1800's the term "organic" began to shift in meaning -- the definition became much more vague than earlier when it simply meant "derived from something once alive."

In this sense, rocks were not considered organic even though they might, millions of years ago, have been trees -- now crushed and turned into rock.

In the mid 1800's crude oil was discovered. John D. Rockefeller, Sr., recognized that crude oil did not LOOK like it was organic. It came out of the ground in great quantities. In those years there was a glut of too much crude oil and Rockefeller saw that the value of his crude oil reserves would fall unless, somehow, he made crude oil scarce.

One thing he did (very well known) was to establish his own monopoly for crude oil -- so he could keep the prices high artificially.

But, something else he did is not as well known.

He figured that if people regarded crude oil as "organic" (that is, derived from plants) they would think that there was a limited supply of the stuff on the planet and the value would go up.

He joined in the support for making "organic" mean "contains carbon" and since crude oil included a great deal of carbon he promoted the mixed message that "crude oil is organic -- and since everyone knows that organic means derived from plants, there must be a limited resource of this crude oil."

He then created an entire myth that crude oil was formed from dinosaurs and plants covered by earth and rocks -- millions of years ago. I'll leave for another day the expose of that lie -- but consider the magnitude of the harm done to us by John D. Rockefeller, Sr.!! That myth was exploded in an article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal on April 16, 1999. Click here to review that astonishing information -- crude oil DOES NOT come from decayed dinosaurs!

So, even today, you can study "organic chemistry" in college -- the chemistry of substances containing carbon.

And, even today crude oil is considered valuable and scarce even though the amount of proven reserves has gone up every year for many decades. There is actually a gigantic fraud perpetrated by the crude industry -- to fool us into thinking there is a scarcity of crude oil. Click Here for one article that explodes this lie. There is even more information I have privately. Here is part of that private information:

On the hydrocarbons, the best one we created is CH4, methane, the cleanest and most abundant hydrocarbon in the physical universe. It's one carbon surrounded by four hydrogen. It is the primary ingredient in natural gas, which is about 99.2% CH4 methane, about 0.4% C3H8 propane, and the rest C4H10 butane ... in other words ... very clean. It's more powerful at 130 octane, and the emissions is primarily steam 2H2O with a bit of benign CO2.

I'll here add: ... and it is almost axiomatic that where you find crude ... the relatively dirty stuff, you'll find large quantities of "un-crude", the very clean stuff, CH4 methane specifically. With very few exceptions, Alaska being one distinct exception, humanoids have been somewhat stupidly flaring off the good stuff (thus wasting the good stuff) while harvesting the bad stuff. Every single oil rig, for specific example, by actual first hand observation, in the Red Sea, burns and flares off huge quantities of the good methane, while harvesting the bad'n'dirty crude. Forgive the editorialism, but it would be appropriate to state that this is humanoid stupidity, on not a small scale, but on a grand scale.

Your article [this page] is very interesting and well researched. Well done.
There's a story I heard from a seismic specialist in the Beaufort Sea a few years back. I have not researched the accuracy of this story, but I can easily see how it could be true. We were in the ice shooting shot points for our 3-D seismic survey for Western Geophysical ...

"When Henry Ford first began making automobile vehicles, he designed 'em to run on alcohol, his reasoning being that as America was then largely agricultural, farmers would have little difficulty producing this relatively clean and easy to make fuel.

Late at night, he got a visit from the Rockefeller goon squad, and ol' Henry was given a choice: He could make cars that run on Rockefeller's gasoline, then a waste product from his oil wells, or he could make no cars at all.

And we've been senselessly burning gasoline ever since."

(Source: private communication)

If you factor in that crude oil is NOT derived from plants or dinosaurs, and that there are crude supplies down more than FIVE miles from the surface of the earth, and that there is no conceivable way that earthquakes, etc., could have "covered up some dinosaurs" that are now a mile below the surface. The honest truth is that the crude oil is a natural component of the planet -- and there will be found trillions of barrels of this stuff -- so there is scarcity -- just a manufactured scarcity -- with that lie started by John Rockefeller!!

Rockefeller has done far, far more harm than this trivial action. Click here to read a very thoroughly researched and documented article by me on how Rockefeller destroyed the entire American education system! Click here for a startling further study, article by me, on how Rockefeller also destroyed the entire existing health system and got put in its place the current drug-oriented model (drugs have as one of the major sources of raw material -- crude oil). (Read here how the same Rockefeller destroyed American education, morality and medicine!)

Check this:

"The well prognosis anticipated that the main Miocene objective would be encountered at some 22,000 feet, but the Pliocene stratigraphic section was much thicker than first thought. This was a wildcat well drilled in a previously untested part of the mini basin.

"But the initial drilling was limited by the rig's capacity, and the well was suspended at 25,340 feet last December before the Miocene layer was drilled. A higher specification rig was contracted to deepen the well, starting in March and finishing in August this year.

"Llano is the deepest well ever drilled in the Gulf of Mexico and the pay sands are the deepest ever found," continued Peter. "This was a technically challenging well from both the engineering and formation evaluation point of view. Source

If they are finding oil five miles down?? tell me, then, what dinosaurs could have lived that would be THERE. Remember that crude oil RISES when it is in water, so we count on "sinking" crude to explain these deposits of crude oil five miles below the floor of the sea! Check this:

In the process of bringing crude oil out of the ground, a large quantity of salt water or brackish water is also brought up. In the past, this water was dumped on the surface of the ground.

Today, due to EPA controls, another means of disposal has been developed. In a typical oil field situation, the crude oil is pumped to a holding tank. After approximately a half day, the crude oil separates from the salt/brackish water, the oil rises to the top of the tank and the waste water and sediment remain at the bottom of the tank. To avoid transfer of sediment with the salt water, the salt water outlet is tapped into the tank about one foot above its bottom. At this level, the hose connects the tank to the inlet of the model 1016 CAT PUMP, which then pumps the salt water back into the ground under high pressure. A regulator with a by-pass routed back to the holding tank maintains constant pressure on the system. Source

In other words, there is no scarcity of crude oil, but the label of "organic" applied to crude oil has helped keep the price up, and that label, is now applied to vitamins made from crude oil!

And, so organic vitamins need only to contain carbon. Not at all difficult -- and not at all relative to any healthy benefit.


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